tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post3186487879801986786..comments2023-09-25T12:26:31.118-04:00Comments on m5slib: Does the Harper gov't really want another fight right now..m5slibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11865574609487081307noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-75606506905368873272008-05-28T16:31:00.000-04:002008-05-28T16:31:00.000-04:00I will not concede that :). !.If people were actua...I will not concede that :). !.<BR/><BR/>If people were actually aware of the situation (legalized slavery) -- if the mainstream media stopped pandering to the status quo, and actually made people aware of alternatives -- or at the very least that a *serious* problem exists -- I think change would follow pretty quickly.<BR/><BR/>I've spoken to many people about this (taxes, intrusive government, etc) ... young and old ... they ALL agree it's bad. NONE of them were aware that libertarian alternative parties exist. I agree that it's ultimately each individual's responsibility to teach himself and decide -- but the media is hugely complicit in the propaganda.<BR/><BR/>And, just to conclude ... I don't think people really understand the seriousness of the situation. People have been brainwashed into accepting slavery, thanks to ingenious marketing tactics. It really is slavery! It is more than Just Another View(tm) that I have -- it's a cry to break these shackles that bind ME! You can't say "regardless of [my views]" ... because there is a crime being committed here. Individual freedom is /supposed/ to be enshrined in the constitution. It cannot be so casually ignored. It must be respected, no?<BR/><BR/>The libertarian view is the only just view! The solution to the aforementioned problem is simple: people should voluntarily pay for whatever services they want. Period. If they don't pay enough, the service providers can't be allowed to force them to pay. They must respect the people's decision. But, for this to occur, it cannot be a so-called "public service".<BR/><BR/>Even if 29,999,999 people (of a pop. of 30M) think it's ok for 1 person to be a slave (for the good of society), it cannot be permitted. And so long as this seemingly trivial injustice goes overlooked -- so long as individual freedom is so casually ignored -- well, you no longer have the rule of law. You'll have a bunch of hypocrisies piled on top of hypocrisies. Which is what we have now. And this will provide an endless source of trivial political discussions, since there will actual be an endless source of contradictions. An endless source of problems. ... All because of this trivial nuissance called "individual freedom".<BR/><BR/>Le fin.<BR/><BR/>(applause)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-56030268878463337002008-05-28T07:50:00.000-04:002008-05-28T07:50:00.000-04:00sorry i'll correct myself about the CRA... they ar...sorry i'll correct myself about the CRA... they are included in the union, but they're not paid by the treasury board so they're not included in this round of negotiations<BR/><BR/>... and you're totally entitled to your libertarian views, but regardless of how you or i think a libertarian society might function, i think we can both conceded the reality that it's not gonna happen anytime in the foreseeable future and beyond... so i think that debate is more trivialm5slibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865574609487081307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-27951816688724119492008-05-27T00:27:00.000-04:002008-05-27T00:27:00.000-04:00Just to throw in /some/ idea of who PSAC are, they...Just to throw in /some/ idea of who PSAC are, they include:<BR/>* Immigratoin workers<BR/>* National defence employees<BR/>* Postal workers<BR/>* Taxation employees!?!<BR/>* Veterans' affairs employees<BR/><BR/>... all of whom I am passionately opposed to. I'm sure there are others, and maybe even a *few* that I'm not totally against. Nevertheless, you see my point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-76268237831658283962008-05-27T00:20:00.000-04:002008-05-27T00:20:00.000-04:00What are you talking about? They're negotiating wi...What are you talking about? They're negotiating with the government --- am I wrong to assume that these are government-payed employees (unions)? Either way, the vast majority of PSAC members /are/ federal employees, and thus are payed through my taxes. (At gunpoint. Can't forget that crucial detail.) So, either way, the majority of PSAC is illegitimate -- if you concede one easily missed detail -- that forcing people to do things against their will is wrong. (Taxes.)<BR/><BR/>You (and most people, really) seem to miss the fundamental issues, and only focus on the trivial details.<BR/><BR/>One fundamental issue is the very idea of a "public servant". PSAC pretends that it's members "provide quality services to Canadians from coast to coast to coast." Says who? Most Canadians didn't vote for this government, so it wouldn't be too unfair to assume that most Canadians don't agree with the way this government is currently spending our money. But none of this would even be an issue if they left the money in our pockets in the first place, and let us decide for ourselves!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-39198695340683684802008-05-25T09:49:00.000-04:002008-05-25T09:49:00.000-04:00actually dennis, that's not correct.. the CRA are ...actually dennis, that's not correct.. the CRA are the ones who collect your taxes and they're not included in this union, nor is the upper level executives who actually help to set policies and gov't objectives, so you're kind of off point.m5slibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865574609487081307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-2790383418073235282008-05-24T18:11:00.000-04:002008-05-24T18:11:00.000-04:00Just to note, this isn't just any kind of union .....Just to note, this isn't just any kind of union ... it's a union of "public" servants (ie. our slave-masters who rob us of ~30% of our money, and do things with it that many of us are wholly opposed to.) These people should be kept as lean as possible -- they shouldn't exist at all, really!<BR/><BR/>So, even though I hate Harper on many other levels, on this one, it's a baby step in the right direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-7593060797188482752008-05-24T10:39:00.000-04:002008-05-24T10:39:00.000-04:00Well if Harper is going into an election, roughly ...Well if Harper is going into an election, roughly within the next year and there is a labour dispute, do you think Canadians who rely on these unionized government workers to process things like EI, CPP, OAS, Child Tax benefits and a host of other services are going to admire Harper's defiance. I suspect the more it hits them in the wallet the more they'll look for a solution. Given that this bargaining process has been going on for over a year, people will wonder why Harper's gov't hasn't done something more expedient to ensure order and good government.m5slibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865574609487081307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-26557003310150260002008-05-23T17:00:00.000-04:002008-05-23T17:00:00.000-04:00That would be on page 30 of the Liberal Red Book.....That would be on page 30 of the Liberal Red Book...tell Canadians that we agree with giving 100,000 PSAC employees exactly what they're asking for...while most of them worry about job security and how to make ends meet, and, then make it an election issue. The PSAC probably deserve the raise, I'm not saying they dont, but, fighting a union right now makes good political hay. Its all optics baby. billgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-24778297981830078002008-05-23T16:34:00.000-04:002008-05-23T16:34:00.000-04:00Make it an election issue and see who winsMake it an election issue and see who winsDantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17467453055415173229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5075484103611607062.post-49091751876526775182008-05-23T15:59:00.000-04:002008-05-23T15:59:00.000-04:00Tsk Tsk Tsk. The average Canadian is not unioniz...Tsk Tsk Tsk. The average Canadian is not unionized, does not have job security, does not receive yearly inflationary raises, and, will not come close to recieving the pensions these people will receive...and your actually wondering why he would pick a fight with them? Union people rarely vote Conservative, so, just who is he going to piss off?? billgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com